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		<title>By: tv reytingleri</title>
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		<dc:creator>tv reytingleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 am of a weekday is not great for most working people really.</description>
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		<title>By: diyet hapı</title>
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		<dc:creator>diyet hapı</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 07:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - why don’t you switch on a feed for comments, or allow us to receive emails when someone posts a comment?</description>
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		<title>By: philip.wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip.wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point &quot;seducy&quot; - I need to fix the blog a bit more and it&#039;s on the list for next week.  Emails for replies, comment feeds, and working &quot;share&quot; links - here we come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point &#8220;seducy&#8221; &#8211; I need to fix the blog a bit more and it&#8217;s on the list for next week.  Emails for replies, comment feeds, and working &#8220;share&#8221; links &#8211; here we come.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - why don’t you switch on a feed for comments, or allow us to receive emails when someone posts a comment?</description>
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		<title>By: Copenhagen OpenCoffee Club at HelloKnowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copenhagen OpenCoffee Club at HelloKnowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Copenhagen OpenCoffee Club is a new initiative - a relaxed meeting point for entrepreneurs and like-minded people interested in technology and start-ups. The concept was started off by Saul Klein from Index Ventures and has spread rapidly during the last few months. Come by and enjoy an informal coffee, discuss your latest ideas and learn about trends in the market. You are likely to meet other entrepreneurs and some investors. See more on http://www.opencoffeeclub.org &amp; check out Phil&#8217;s blog comment http://blog.crowd&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Copenhagen OpenCoffee Club is a new initiative &#8211; a relaxed meeting point for entrepreneurs and like-minded people interested in technology and start-ups. The concept was started off by Saul Klein from Index Ventures and has spread rapidly during the last few months. Come by and enjoy an informal coffee, discuss your latest ideas and learn about trends in the market. You are likely to meet other entrepreneurs and some investors. See more on <a href="http://www.opencoffeeclub.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencoffeeclub.org</a> &amp; check out Phil&#8217;s blog comment <a href="http://blog.crowd&#8230" rel="nofollow">http://blog.crowd&#8230</a>; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Louis van Proosdij Duport &#187; Ouverture du &#8220;OpenCoffee Club&#8221; à Paris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis van Proosdij Duport &#187; Ouverture du &#8220;OpenCoffee Club&#8221; à Paris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] L&#8217;idée est de répliquer le concept dans toutes les grandes villes à travers le monde, et créer ainsi des points de rencontre favorisant les échanges. Une liste des lieux, par ville et par pays va s&#8217;établir (wiki en cours). &#8220;Imagine it more as a big open lounge where people come and go, talk to others in their industry, showcase demo’s of what they are working on, save the world, and ultimately maybe get some work done and run a few small meetings.&#8221; Phil Wilkinson [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] L&#8217;idée est de répliquer le concept dans toutes les grandes villes à travers le monde, et créer ainsi des points de rencontre favorisant les échanges. Une liste des lieux, par ville et par pays va s&#8217;établir (wiki en cours). &#8220;Imagine it more as a big open lounge where people come and go, talk to others in their industry, showcase demo’s of what they are working on, save the world, and ultimately maybe get some work done and run a few small meetings.&#8221; Phil Wilkinson [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JohnN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair enuff, paul and phil,

I will just have to make time!

John</description>
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<p>I will just have to make time!</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Satish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil:

Ok, firstly great idea. Heres my 2 pence, 

Im pretty big on the filtering thing - owing specifically to an incident at a &quot;networking&quot; event some years ago where I was talking to a someone who described himself as a only as a VC... great.. I gave him the low down.. only to be told later that his idea of what VC meant was &quot;Venture Catalyst&quot; .. the bloke was a consultant...

So, Im as busy as the next guy &amp; some days Im just as lazy as anyone else. I often endorse these ideas and then realise an hour before the event that I really cant be bothered. Like most people who go to any such event, my attendance is going to be driven purely by what it does for me personally.

I believe &amp; I hope you&#039;ll agree that businesses run in phases:

A. Idea development: i have an idea, im studying its feasibility, im assembling the core team &amp; working on a prototype. I want to meet entrepreneur types looking for something to work on. 

B. Funding: Ive taken the idea as far as it can go &amp; I need to get funded. So I will pitch anyone willing to listen. I want to meet VC&#039;s, angels, etc...

C. Post-Funding: I need to expand the team, get operations going, I also want feedback, its all about execution at this stage.. I want to solve usability issues, push out problems Im having with particular modules of the business and hopefully get some &quot;free&quot; solutions or introductions to people who can help. I want to meet corporate FD types (no one has a FD to start off... or do they?), uber developers, web 20 designers, product managers, other founders in a similar stage etc..

D. Expansion/Option evaluation: Its been running for some time. The idea has worked, its making money.. its become less about &quot;breaking new ground&quot; and more about making sure the &quot;trains run on time&quot;. I want to raise a big round B and do the US, France, Germany &amp; rest of EU.. OR.. I want someone to tell me how I can cash out from this thing. I want to meet my competitors, M &amp; A, Corp dev types and also some people whove been there and done that.. so to speak.

What Im saying in so many words is that the sorts of people I want to meet depend entirely on the phase of business I am at. 4 stages, 4 weeks a month... Id love to attend if I thought that I wasnt going to get some guy in phase B (i.e. me a month ago) pitching the hell out of me in the false hope that I can help. I realise that I might be entirely disregarding the possibility that I might learn something from someone in phase A &amp; by not having them attend, I lose out.. something I have be willing to live with. 

I believe that having a running theme will help keep the numbers down so you dont end up with only standing room at the Starbucks while also making sure that you have a very engaged and driven set of people at the same place, at the same time. That for me reduces the frequency of the meetings I will attend, but makes the event a &quot;must attend&quot;..  

WDYR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<p>Ok, firstly great idea. Heres my 2 pence, </p>
<p>Im pretty big on the filtering thing &#8211; owing specifically to an incident at a &#8220;networking&#8221; event some years ago where I was talking to a someone who described himself as a only as a VC&#8230; great.. I gave him the low down.. only to be told later that his idea of what VC meant was &#8220;Venture Catalyst&#8221; .. the bloke was a consultant&#8230;</p>
<p>So, Im as busy as the next guy &amp; some days Im just as lazy as anyone else. I often endorse these ideas and then realise an hour before the event that I really cant be bothered. Like most people who go to any such event, my attendance is going to be driven purely by what it does for me personally.</p>
<p>I believe &amp; I hope you&#8217;ll agree that businesses run in phases:</p>
<p>A. Idea development: i have an idea, im studying its feasibility, im assembling the core team &amp; working on a prototype. I want to meet entrepreneur types looking for something to work on. </p>
<p>B. Funding: Ive taken the idea as far as it can go &amp; I need to get funded. So I will pitch anyone willing to listen. I want to meet VC&#8217;s, angels, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>C. Post-Funding: I need to expand the team, get operations going, I also want feedback, its all about execution at this stage.. I want to solve usability issues, push out problems Im having with particular modules of the business and hopefully get some &#8220;free&#8221; solutions or introductions to people who can help. I want to meet corporate FD types (no one has a FD to start off&#8230; or do they?), uber developers, web 20 designers, product managers, other founders in a similar stage etc..</p>
<p>D. Expansion/Option evaluation: Its been running for some time. The idea has worked, its making money.. its become less about &#8220;breaking new ground&#8221; and more about making sure the &#8220;trains run on time&#8221;. I want to raise a big round B and do the US, France, Germany &amp; rest of EU.. OR.. I want someone to tell me how I can cash out from this thing. I want to meet my competitors, M &amp; A, Corp dev types and also some people whove been there and done that.. so to speak.</p>
<p>What Im saying in so many words is that the sorts of people I want to meet depend entirely on the phase of business I am at. 4 stages, 4 weeks a month&#8230; Id love to attend if I thought that I wasnt going to get some guy in phase B (i.e. me a month ago) pitching the hell out of me in the false hope that I can help. I realise that I might be entirely disregarding the possibility that I might learn something from someone in phase A &amp; by not having them attend, I lose out.. something I have be willing to live with. </p>
<p>I believe that having a running theme will help keep the numbers down so you dont end up with only standing room at the Starbucks while also making sure that you have a very engaged and driven set of people at the same place, at the same time. That for me reduces the frequency of the meetings I will attend, but makes the event a &#8220;must attend&#8221;..  </p>
<p>WDYR?</p>
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		<title>By: Oli Barrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oli Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Philip!  

The only piece I would take issue with is when you say, &quot;now what I don&#039;t want to see is...a bunch of PR execs, recruiters &amp; headhunters&quot;.

My experience, and especially recently is that a savvy PR, recruiter or headhunter can be incredibly smart at cross-pollinating an industry like this.  Their day-job is to filter and rate talent. Some of the smartest tip-offs I have had this year have been from PRs and headhunters, so I&#039;d like to see them in the mix...

I suppose like anything, it&#039;s about quality and maybe one or two negative exeperiences can put you off?

Let discuss over...coffee :) It&#039;s an exciting time to be in London!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Philip!  </p>
<p>The only piece I would take issue with is when you say, &#8220;now what I don&#8217;t want to see is&#8230;a bunch of PR execs, recruiters &amp; headhunters&#8221;.</p>
<p>My experience, and especially recently is that a savvy PR, recruiter or headhunter can be incredibly smart at cross-pollinating an industry like this.  Their day-job is to filter and rate talent. Some of the smartest tip-offs I have had this year have been from PRs and headhunters, so I&#8217;d like to see them in the mix&#8230;</p>
<p>I suppose like anything, it&#8217;s about quality and maybe one or two negative exeperiences can put you off?</p>
<p>Let discuss over&#8230;coffee <img src='http://blog.crowdstorm.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s an exciting time to be in London!</p>
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		<title>By: philip.wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip.wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good idea - now where did I leave my book on technical stuff....???!&gt;&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - why don&#039;t you switch on a feed for comments, or allow us to receive emails when someone posts a comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; why don&#8217;t you switch on a feed for comments, or allow us to receive emails when someone posts a comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t take an hour off then it&#039;s possible this isn&#039;t the meeting for you - UNLESS you want to learn how to leave full time employment in favour of going out into the big bad world by yourself... 

If you&#039;re looking for advice on how to set up on your own, this is  absolutely perfect for you - all that free advice in one room over a coffee, oh, and possibly someone to give you a few quid if you&#039;re not insane (like me) :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t take an hour off then it&#8217;s possible this isn&#8217;t the meeting for you &#8211; UNLESS you want to learn how to leave full time employment in favour of going out into the big bad world by yourself&#8230; </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for advice on how to set up on your own, this is  absolutely perfect for you &#8211; all that free advice in one room over a coffee, oh, and possibly someone to give you a few quid if you&#8217;re not insane (like me) :-/</p>
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		<title>By: philip.wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip.wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take an hour off?  Honestly - you can&#039;t moan about a 10am start and state that you don&#039;t know how to make it to an entrepreneur event..  your first challenge should be for you to look at all the way to solve this and never give up till you do!  There&#039;s always a way if you want it enough :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take an hour off?  Honestly &#8211; you can&#8217;t moan about a 10am start and state that you don&#8217;t know how to make it to an entrepreneur event..  your first challenge should be for you to look at all the way to solve this and never give up till you do!  There&#8217;s always a way if you want it enough <img src='http://blog.crowdstorm.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JohnN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Eugene, 10am of a weekday is not great for most working people. If one wants to join the scene however, how else do they get involved? Its a catch 22.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Eugene, 10am of a weekday is not great for most working people. If one wants to join the scene however, how else do they get involved? Its a catch 22.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Klein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saul Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Phil, really thoughtful and I think mainly spot - my comments are at http://localglobe.blogspot.com/2007/03/opencoffee-club-structure-vs-free-form.html

See you next week on Thurs 10-12 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Phil, really thoughtful and I think mainly spot &#8211; my comments are at <a href="http://localglobe.blogspot.com/2007/03/opencoffee-club-structure-vs-free-form.html" rel="nofollow">http://localglobe.blogspot.com/2007/03/opencoffee-club-structure-vs-free-form.html</a></p>
<p>See you next week on Thurs 10-12 <img src='http://blog.crowdstorm.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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